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could Fedora please reverse its policy re End-Of-Life [closed]

asked 2018-11-12 19:06:48 -0600

zug234zwang gravatar image

Internet-researching, I've seen many situations where the user had a problem upgrading. I would speculate that most problems of this nature are resolved by a complete re-install to the newer version, rather than an upgrade. In my opinion, fedora CAN NOT anticipate or test/prevent upgrade anomalies from a wide variety of 3rd party software.

I never upgrade. I manually keep a notes_install.txt log and use this whenever I am re-installing. My re-install takes about 8 hours (e.g. 30 minutes alone for TexLive, plus time spent determining how the installation process of miscellaneous software has changed given that the software has changed). Further, I always wait for 3 months after a new version is being released before installing it, to lessen the chance of running into an anomaly. Based on your new end-of-life policy, I will have to spend 8 hours re-installing, EVERY 12-13 MONTHS, AND RISK new version anomalies.

I understand that altering your End-Of-Life policy to (for example) 36 months rather than 13 months is BURDENSOME on fedora.org. However, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY FROM FEDORA?

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Closed for the following reason question is off-topic or not relevant by sideburns
close date 2018-11-12 19:43:50.202907

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I am wondering why you think the upgrade doesn't work, when you "never upgrade". In my experience, upgrading to a new release is very stable. The machine I am working on right now, was F24 originally has gone through 4 upgrading processes without a single hiccup. And so will it do in a few weeks for F29.

florian gravatar imageflorian ( 2018-11-13 13:42:13 -0600 )edit

I internet-researched and discovered people having trouble upgrading.

zug234zwang gravatar imagezug234zwang ( 2018-11-13 19:28:10 -0600 )edit

Still it’s not clear to me why a longer support term would improve the upgrade process, and whether LTS distros cause no upgrade problems.

florian gravatar imageflorian ( 2018-11-14 13:20:42 -0600 )edit

@zug234zwang: If you are not interested in regular feature updates, you should consider using RHEL/CentOS or Debian instead.

genodeftest gravatar imagegenodeftest ( 2018-11-20 13:56:11 -0600 )edit

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answered 2018-11-12 19:42:43 -0600

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First of all, you need to understand ask.fedora is a forum for community support by users and I doubt that any of the developers ever come here. If you want to discuss Fedora's policy, you need to go to fedora.org, find the appropriate mailing list and discuss your concerns there. However, don't expect to receive a friendly reception as I'm sure that this issue has been brought up numerous times before with no response other than, "Not only no, hell no!"

And, I don't know why you think that the upgrade process never works, just because you don't see any success stories posted. Generally, people only post at places like this when there's a problem, so you don't see anything from all of the users who upgrade routinely without the slightest trouble. Of course, you should always back up your /home first, just in case, and third-party software can be an issue, but in general, the upgrade process is smooth and trouble free.

Last, I'd like to point out the difference between the type of support you receive at any Fedora site I've looked at for an EOL version and what you get from Ubuntu. Here, we remind you of the risks involved in using an older version and then we give you as much help as we can. One of them, the Unofficial Fedora Forum, even has a sub-board dedicated to those still running older editions of Fedora. At Ubuntu, they tell you that they can't/won't provide you with any assistance until you upgrade to a supported version.

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