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Why are Karma being subtracted?

asked 2014-08-27 00:53:47 -0500

My assumption is Karma and points are synonymous. That being said take a look at this screenshot.

Gain for receiving an upvote: 10
Gain for author of accepted answer: 15
Loss for owner of post that was downvoted: -10
Loss for author whose answer was "un-accepted": -5

That question was received 3 upvotes and accepted as answer twice (10+15+10+15+10) and 2 downvotes and "un-accepted" once (-10-5-10). If you look at the answer it was nothing but helpful.

I have a strong dislike for downvoting. Weather it is Reddit, Hacker's News or StackExchange sites downvoting is often used to destroy the community itself by downvoting good posts. When someone downvotes a post, which fell short of his or her expectations, without leaving a constructive comment are downright unacceptable and disrespectful. I couldn't care less about Internet Karma but we should discourage such a culture in the free society.

Two suggestions I have are

  1. Force users to post comment on why it is to be downvotes.
  2. Make votes public. You shouldn't be ashamed of being opinionated.

PS: If you accept something and later un-accept it, it is your fault and not the post's author who should not be penalized by -5 karma.

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yeah, I agree too. +1 Suggestion 1 is great. Have some karma!

abadrinath gravatar imageabadrinath ( 2014-08-27 01:04:53 -0500 )edit

I post on a forum where upvotes are shown, but downvotes aren't. (Until fairly recently, both where shown.) Now, there's no point in voting somebody down even if they're disruptive or completely off-topic because nobody will ever know. I'd rather keep that kind of tacit censorship off of this forum, TYVM.

sideburns gravatar imagesideburns ( 2014-08-27 01:48:51 -0500 )edit

But if someone says why they think they want to downvote it, you can improve it/delete it.

abadrinath gravatar imageabadrinath ( 2014-08-27 02:07:33 -0500 )edit

@hello Glad someone agrees. Makes me a less of a freak.

@sideburns Voting is useful to set the tone of a community. Downvoting can also be used to discourage good stuff. The least I expect in free community is for folks to stand up and tell what was wrong or uncalled for in a post. Maybe we should replace downvoting with constructive comments. They behave the same way as downvoting but you have to make a comment and let poster know about what was wrong with the post.

sudhirkhanger gravatar imagesudhirkhanger ( 2014-08-27 03:46:24 -0500 )edit

that! is what I want as well. :D

abadrinath gravatar imageabadrinath ( 2014-08-27 04:16:52 -0500 )edit

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answered 2014-08-27 10:38:12 -0500

mether gravatar image

Please remember that while we can tweak configuration details, if you want functional changes in the software, it is better to convince upstream askbot developers to implement your feature request. So go to and post a question and tag it as "askfedora" and we will pick up the feature in any new release after upstream implements it. It would be even better if you write patches. Karma!

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What do you think about increasing the threshold to be able to downvote and increase the cost of downvote as much as half of upvoting?

sudhirkhanger gravatar imagesudhirkhanger ( 2014-08-27 11:10:41 -0500 )edit

I don't want to discourage people from downvoting. A rationale might be useful but votes have their own value as well especially for things like spam mitigation

mether gravatar imagemether ( 2014-08-27 12:27:18 -0500 )edit

I asked a question there, once. After several weeks, it's had 14 views, no answer, no comments. Most of the posts I've seen there have the same lack of response.

sideburns gravatar imagesideburns ( 2014-08-27 13:32:58 -0500 )edit

askbot developers are working on changes pretty regularly if you look at their git repo. However there are lot more feature requests pending that needs action. The best thing to speed that up is for people to step up and contribute patches. They do integrate those pretty quickly.

mether gravatar imagemether ( 2014-08-27 14:17:29 -0500 )edit

I'm not asking for a new feature; I'm asking why I'm still being told that there are 46 posts in my moderation queue even though we're not moderated any longer and how to get rid of the phantom posts.

sideburns gravatar imagesideburns ( 2014-08-27 14:22:40 -0500 )edit

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