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Can we ask Red-Hat to make Fedora's default DE be KDE?

asked 2018-09-12 11:53:39 -0500

jvapr27 gravatar image

KDE is really polished at this time. It does not use as many resources and it seems like KDE is better at keeping down the number of 'extensions' and extra apps that Gnome requires to be fully useful.

I know we can install any DE after the fact, but when Gnome is the default, it will obviously get more sponsorship. I think KDE is further ahead and may be more worth to continue the investment there vs re-inventing the wheel with Gnome. GTK apps look great in KDE by default. However, QT apps do not look great on Gnome by default.

Overall, KDE looks very polished but is missing a few things.. like their online accounts, does not currenlty work with gmail. Gnome/Evolution have solved that. Maybe this can reimplemented in the KDE frameworks. Fractional scaling, works so well in KDE. In Gnome, it does not.

My HiDpi laptop currently does not run Gnome well. The resolution either looks well for Firefox or it looks well for everything else. I've installed the gsettings parameter for the fractional scaling, but the problem persist. I set the devPixelxxxxxxxx sizing in about:config in Firefox. Still looks wierd.

Gnome memory leak... still there.

I am just wondering why we chose Gnome vs KDE.. and if it is worth moving to KDE as the default DE? Especially now that everyone else jumped on Gnome as their default DE. Having 1 DE as default is great for Linux overall, so that users can have consistent feel. But Gnome is too 'minimalist'. For power users, it feels like a tablet, not a powerful PC.

Also, installing KDE using dnf install @KDE-desktop, the super key is not set by default to open the application drawer, and the super+L does not log you off or lock the screen as expected. Thankfully KDE has great GUIs that make it easy to set that up.

Thanks!

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If you want to get rid of as much bloat as possible, there are far more lightweight DEs than KDE. Enlightenment comes to mind as does my preferred DE, Xfce, which doesn't need any third-party "extensions" to work just fine.

sideburns gravatar imagesideburns ( 2018-09-12 13:33:39 -0500 )edit

Hi, yes there are many DEs out there that are lighter weight. I am not proposing KDE because it is light weight. It does seem lighter than Gnome especially given that many people have to install extensions to make it 'usable' to them. KDE comes out of the box with a lot of the features that make it easier to work with.

It already provides tons of applications that are very polished and well maintained and function well in the KDE eco system.

Even HiDPI displays look great! KDE (and i have been a Gnome user since Fed 16) blows me away! It has everything.

Thus the question.

jvapr27 gravatar imagejvapr27 ( 2018-09-12 16:21:17 -0500 )edit

But Gnome is too 'minimalist'. For power users, it feels like a tablet, not a powerful PC.

If you don't like minimalist, you're not a power user.

I'm a long-time-windows user, KDE just seems like a bad clone (to me). I had a look at the spins, and firmly decided to stick with Gnome, but yes ,horses for courses (I did fancy Cinnamon a little (the color scheme), but that's about it).

If you think there are technical (scaling) issues, it's better to put the effort into solving those issues.

degski gravatar imagedegski ( 2018-09-13 06:29:19 -0500 )edit

degski: You should respect the opinions of other persons. You are not qualified to assess if another person is a power user or not. If you are contending in this way, you should use another well.known network(F....). Windows is a high-quality product with a very long history, it is a question of demands of someone to use it or not, the same as with Linux.

heliosstyx gravatar imageheliosstyx ( 2018-09-13 09:35:28 -0500 )edit

@heliosstyx I am respecting the opinion of other users, I'm just expressing my opinion, no more no less. I did write f.e. "KDE just seems like a bad clone (to me)", note the "(to me)".

degski gravatar imagedegski ( 2018-09-14 04:34:39 -0500 )edit

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answered 2018-09-12 20:47:00 -0500

Red Hat and Red Hat devs have written, sponsored, or otherwise had deep involvement with Gnome from it's beginning. The chance of them abandoning Gnome and replacing it with another DE is just about zero.

For every reason listed for liking KDE, I can list 10 for why I do not. I won't, this isn't the appropriate forum for that. The point is, your preferred DE, K or otherwise, is installable on Fedora or Red Hat.

To answer your question, however ... YES. You can ask.

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answered 2018-09-13 15:29:44 -0500

updated 2018-09-13 15:51:50 -0500

“who develops GNOME.”

Red Hat is playing a large role in the development of the GNOME Shell ( one snapshot at end )

if we collect data of who as company contributes to GNOME , than we see that after Unknown contributors REDHAT is in the second , if we collect he data from 2010 to till now also as company contribution REDHAT is in top to GNOME project . It also shows how Red Hat and Novell combine to contribute over 25 percent of the code commits, both being far ahead of other organizations . It is interesting to note that nine of the top twenty contributors are Red Hat employees. It has an interesting section on GNOME maintenance too .

SO it is impossible to convince REDHAT to change it's default DE for FEDORA and REDHAT from GNOME to any others

For example 2010 report by GNOME : http://nisankhacharjya.me/downloads/GNOME-Census.pdf

Thank you

P.S. read the annual reports of redhat on GNOME related survey and others

remember when we talk about Linux than we should not talk about redhat , fedora , ubuntu as competitors and when we need to made a choice over Desktop environment it's upto users choice

linux at core and build differently for purpose that's it

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answered 2018-09-12 12:36:47 -0500

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updated 2018-09-12 12:57:01 -0500

Here is what you want: Fedora with KDE as default DE: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/

Choose Fedora. Choose Freedom. (or was it the other way around?)

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Florian: What you mean with freedom, when another user suggests something? I can understand him, the default workstation download is GNOME and not KDE. For new users it is very difficult, to see what spins are and they are a little bit hidden.

heliosstyx gravatar imageheliosstyx ( 2018-09-12 12:47:30 -0500 )edit

I meant Freedom of choice.

But I agree, the spins are not entirely obvious on https://getfedora.org/ (it's under * Want more Fedora options?*)

florian gravatar imageflorian ( 2018-09-12 12:56:29 -0500 )edit

With all the sponsorship behind Gnome, we will probably spend a lot of money/time trying to recreate what KDE already has. The spins are great, but they are hidden as mentioned. Most users will download the default Fedora installation and never see that there is another DE that is ready for usage. I am glad that all distros have settled on a default DE.. this makes it easier to write consistent user stories and tutorials. After seeing what KDE offers, I am surprised as a community we went with Gnome rather than KDE after seeing what they have.

jvapr27 gravatar imagejvapr27 ( 2018-09-12 16:33:02 -0500 )edit
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answered 2018-09-12 12:06:02 -0500

heliosstyx gravatar image

I support you to make KDE as the default desktop for Fedora. I miss understandable reasons why GNOME (like a tablet GUI) is the default DE for Fedora. I use KDE without any issues too. But the critical question is how to convince Red HAT to do that.?

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No need to change the "default" desktop. The default in this house is LXDE because I purposely downloaded the LXDE spin. I don't care for either Gnome or KDE.

Additionally, what about what everyone else wants? You want KDE, I prefer LXDE, someone else loves Gnome.

Glenn gravatar imageGlenn ( 2018-09-15 15:31:03 -0500 )edit

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