Hi,
I am a beginner overall but I have installed Fedora on my MSI Laptop (NVIDIA and Intel GPU), and since about Kernel 4.19 (and the current ones as well), I experiment terrible slow boot times.
The thing is, I have a partial solution which is to blacklist i2c_nvidia_gpu. However, doing this, my laptop will run 100% of the time on Nvidia GPU killing the battery life. I will, after this post, try to install Bumblebee to see if I can retain the graphic card switching and keep this boot fix.
The problem is caused (by running: systemd-analyze blame)
6.254s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
Which in boot becomes:
A start job is running for udev … ( 1.30 minutes)
Found the solution here:
opened 07:43PM - 23 Apr 19 UTC
closed 03:36PM - 26 Apr 19 UTC
19.04
**Distribution (run `cat /etc/os-release`):**
```
NAME="Pop!_OS"
VERSION=… "19.04"
ID=ubuntu
ID_LIKE=debian
PRETTY_NAME="Pop!_OS 19.04"
VERSION_ID="19.04"
HOME_URL="https://system76.com/pop"
SUPPORT_URL="http://support.system76.com"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://github.com/pop-os/pop/issues"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://system76.com/privacy"
VERSION_CODENAME=disco
UBUNTU_CODENAME=disco
```
**Hardware (`sudo lshw`)**
<details>
<summary>Click to view</summary>
```
david-alienm17
description: Notebook
product: Alienware m17 (08A2)
vendor: Alienware
version: 1.5.2
serial: 5B38N42
width: 64 bits
capabilities: smbios-3.2 dmi-3.2 smp vsyscall32
configuration: boot=normal chassis=notebook family=Alienware sku=08A2 uuid=44454C4C-4200-1033-8038-B5C04F4E3432
*-core
description: Motherboard
product: 0DH3P0
vendor: Alienware
physical id: 0
version: A00
serial: .5B38N42.CNPE10091U005V.
slot: Default string
*-firmware
description: BIOS
vendor: Alienware
physical id: 0
version: 1.5.2
date: 03/04/2019
size: 64KiB
capacity: 15MiB
capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb biosbootspecification uefi
*-memory
description: System Memory
physical id: 35
slot: System board or motherboard
size: 32GiB
*-bank:0
description: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous 2667 MHz (0.4 ns)
product: M471A2K43CB1-CTD
vendor: Samsung
physical id: 0
serial: 410C2BFC
slot: ChannelA-DIMM0
size: 16GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 2667MHz (0.4ns)
*-bank:1
description: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous 2667 MHz (0.4 ns)
product: M471A2K43CB1-CTD
vendor: Samsung
physical id: 1
serial: 410C189A
slot: ChannelB-DIMM0
size: 16GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 2667MHz (0.4ns)
*-cache:0
description: L1 cache
physical id: 3f
slot: L1 Cache
size: 384KiB
capacity: 384KiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
configuration: level=1
*-cache:1
description: L2 cache
physical id: 40
slot: L2 Cache
size: 1536KiB
capacity: 1536KiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
configuration: level=2
*-cache:2
description: L3 cache
physical id: 41
slot: L3 Cache
size: 12MiB
capacity: 12MiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
configuration: level=3
*-cpu
description: CPU
product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-8950HK CPU @ 2.90GHz
vendor: Intel Corp.
physical id: 42
bus info: cpu@0
version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-8950HK CPU @ 2.90GHz
serial: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
slot: U3E1
size: 4445MHz
capacity: 4800MHz
width: 64 bits
clock: 100MHz
capabilities: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb invpcid_single pti ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid ept_ad fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt intel_pt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp flush_l1d cpufreq
configuration: cores=6 enabledcores=6 threads=12
*-pci
description: Host bridge
product: 8th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 100
bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
version: 07
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
configuration: driver=skl_uncore
resources: irq:0
*-pci:0
description: PCI bridge
product: Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor PCIe Controller (x16)
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1
bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
version: 07
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:122 ioport:4000(size=4096) memory:80000000-810fffff ioport:4050000000(size=303038464)
*-display
description: VGA compatible controller
product: NVIDIA Corporation
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
logical name: /dev/fb0
version: a1
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom fb
configuration: depth=32 driver=nvidia latency=0 mode=3840x2160 visual=truecolor xres=3840 yres=2160
resources: iomemory:400-3ff iomemory:400-3ff irq:181 memory:80000000-80ffffff memory:4050000000-405fffffff memory:4060000000-4061ffffff ioport:4000(size=128) memory:81000000-8107ffff
*-multimedia
description: Audio device
product: NVIDIA Corporation
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0.1
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.1
version: a1
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
resources: irq:17 memory:81080000-81083fff
*-usb
description: USB controller
product: NVIDIA Corporation
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0.2
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.2
version: a1
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: msi pciexpress pm xhci bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff iomemory:400-3ff irq:129 memory:4062000000-406203ffff memory:4062040000-406204ffff
*-usbhost:0
product: xHCI Host Controller
vendor: Linux 5.0.0-13-generic xhci-hcd
physical id: 0
bus info: usb@3
logical name: usb3
version: 5.00
capabilities: usb-2.00
configuration: driver=hub slots=2 speed=480Mbit/s
*-usbhost:1
product: xHCI Host Controller
vendor: Linux 5.0.0-13-generic xhci-hcd
physical id: 1
bus info: usb@4
logical name: usb4
version: 5.00
capabilities: usb-3.10
configuration: driver=hub slots=4 speed=10000Mbit/s
*-serial
description: Serial bus controller
product: NVIDIA Corporation
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0.3
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.3
version: a1
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: msi pciexpress pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=nvidia-gpu latency=0
resources: irq:131 memory:81084000-81084fff
*-pci:1
description: PCI bridge
product: Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor PCIe Controller (x8)
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1.1
bus info: pci@0000:00:01.1
version: 07
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:123 memory:50000000-7e0fffff ioport:4000000000(size=1241513984)
*-pci:2
description: PCI bridge
product: Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor PCIe Controller (x4)
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1.2
bus info: pci@0000:00:01.2
version: 07
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:124
*-display
description: VGA compatible controller
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 2
bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
version: 00
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
resources: irq:135 memory:7f000000-7fffffff memory:40000000-4fffffff ioport:5000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
*-generic:0
description: Signal processing controller
product: Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor Thermal Subsystem
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 4
bus info: pci@0000:00:04.0
version: 07
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: msi pm cap_list
configuration: driver=proc_thermal latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff irq:16 memory:4062210000-4062217fff
*-generic:1 UNCLAIMED
description: System peripheral
product: Xeon E3-1200 v5/v6 / E3-1500 v5 / 6th/7th Gen Core Processor Gaussian Mixture Model
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 8
bus info: pci@0000:00:08.0
version: 00
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: msi pm cap_list
configuration: latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff memory:4062227000-4062227fff
*-generic:2
description: Signal processing controller
product: Cannon Lake PCH Thermal Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 12
bus info: pci@0000:00:12.0
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi cap_list
configuration: driver=intel_pch_thermal latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff irq:16 memory:4062226000-4062226fff
*-communication:0
description: Serial controller
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 13
bus info: pci@0000:00:13.0
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm 8250 bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=intel_ish_ipc latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff irq:20 memory:406221e000-406221ffff
*-usb
description: USB controller
product: Cannon Lake PCH USB 3.1 xHCI Host Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 14
bus info: pci@0000:00:14.0
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi xhci bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff irq:130 memory:4062200000-406220ffff
*-usbhost:0
product: xHCI Host Controller
vendor: Linux 5.0.0-13-generic xhci-hcd
physical id: 0
bus info: usb@1
logical name: usb1
version: 5.00
capabilities: usb-2.00
configuration: driver=hub slots=16 speed=480Mbit/s
*-usb:0
description: Keyboard
product: 2.4G Keyboard Mouse
vendor: MOSART Semi.
physical id: 2
bus info: usb@1:2
version: 1.02
capabilities: usb-1.10
configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA speed=12Mbit/s
*-usb:1
description: Keyboard
product: USB Receiver
vendor: Logitech
physical id: 3
bus info: usb@1:3
version: 29.01
capabilities: usb-2.00
configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA speed=12Mbit/s
*-usb:2
description: Human interface device
product: AW-ELC
vendor: Alienware
physical id: 5
bus info: usb@1:5
version: 2.00
serial: 00.01
capabilities: usb-2.00
configuration: driver=usbhid speed=12Mbit/s
*-usb:3
description: Bluetooth wireless interface
vendor: Intel Corp.
physical id: 7
bus info: usb@1:7
version: 0.02
capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
configuration: driver=btusb maxpower=100mA speed=12Mbit/s
*-usb:4
description: Video
product: Integrated_Webcam_FHD
vendor: CKFEF49O52540000B810
physical id: 9
bus info: usb@1:9
version: 57.22
capabilities: usb-2.00
configuration: driver=uvcvideo maxpower=500mA speed=480Mbit/s
*-usbhost:1
product: xHCI Host Controller
vendor: Linux 5.0.0-13-generic xhci-hcd
physical id: 1
bus info: usb@2
logical name: usb2
version: 5.00
capabilities: usb-3.10
configuration: driver=hub slots=8 speed=10000Mbit/s
*-memory UNCLAIMED
description: RAM memory
product: Cannon Lake PCH Shared SRAM
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 14.2
bus info: pci@0000:00:14.2
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz (30.3ns)
capabilities: pm cap_list
configuration: latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff iomemory:400-3ff memory:406221c000-406221dfff memory:4062225000-4062225fff
*-serial:0
description: Serial bus controller
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 15
bus info: pci@0000:00:15.0
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=intel-lpss latency=0
resources: irq:16 memory:404a000000-404a000fff
*-serial:1
description: Serial bus controller
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 15.1
bus info: pci@0000:00:15.1
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=intel-lpss latency=0
resources: irq:17 memory:404a001000-404a001fff
*-communication:1
description: Communication controller
product: Cannon Lake PCH HECI Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 16
bus info: pci@0000:00:16.0
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=mei_me latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff irq:133 memory:4062222000-4062222fff
*-storage
description: SATA controller
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 17
bus info: pci@0000:00:17.0
version: 10
width: 32 bits
clock: 66MHz
capabilities: storage msi pm ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=ahci latency=0
resources: irq:132 memory:81500000-81501fff memory:81503000-815030ff ioport:5090(size=8) ioport:5080(size=4) ioport:5060(size=32) memory:81502000-815027ff
*-pci:3
description: PCI bridge
product: Cannon Lake PCH PCI Express Root Port 21
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1b
bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
version: f0
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:125 memory:81400000-814fffff
*-storage
description: Non-Volatile memory controller
product: NVMe SSD Controller SM981/PM981
vendor: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:6e:00.0
version: 00
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: storage pm msi pciexpress msix nvm_express bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=nvme latency=0
resources: irq:16 memory:81400000-81403fff
*-pci:4
description: PCI bridge
product: Cannon Lake PCH PCI Express Root Port 9
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1d
bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
version: f0
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:126 memory:81300000-813fffff
*-storage
description: Non-Volatile memory controller
product: NVMe SSD Controller SM981/PM981
vendor: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:6f:00.0
version: 00
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: storage pm msi pciexpress msix nvm_express bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=nvme latency=0
resources: irq:16 memory:81300000-81303fff
*-pci:5
description: PCI bridge
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1d.6
bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.6
version: f0
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:127 ioport:3000(size=4096) memory:81200000-812fffff
*-network
description: Ethernet interface
product: Killer E2500 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
vendor: Qualcomm Atheros
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:70:00.0
logical name: enp112s0
version: 10
serial: e4:b9:7a:e9:43:fb
capacity: 1Gbit/s
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm pciexpress msi msix bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=alx latency=0 link=no multicast=yes port=twisted pair
resources: irq:18 memory:81200000-8123ffff ioport:3000(size=128)
*-pci:6
description: PCI bridge
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1d.7
bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
version: f0
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:128 memory:81100000-811fffff
*-network
description: Wireless interface
product: Wireless-AC 9260
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:71:00.0
logical name: wlp113s0
version: 29
serial: 20:79:18:8d:e8:2a
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=5.0.0-13-generic firmware=43.95eb4e97.0 ip=192.168.1.19 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
resources: irq:19 memory:81100000-81103fff
*-communication:2
description: Communication controller
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1e
bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=intel-lpss latency=0
resources: irq:20 memory:404a002000-404a002fff
*-isa
description: ISA bridge
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1f
bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
version: 10
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: isa bus_master
configuration: latency=0
*-multimedia
description: Audio device
product: Cannon Lake PCH cAVS
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1f.3
bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=32
resources: iomemory:400-3ff iomemory:400-3ff irq:149 memory:4062218000-406221bfff memory:4062100000-40621fffff
*-serial:2
description: SMBus
product: Cannon Lake PCH SMBus Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1f.4
bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.4
version: 10
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
configuration: driver=i801_smbus latency=0
resources: iomemory:400-3ff irq:16 memory:4062220000-40622200ff ioport:efa0(size=32)
*-serial:3 UNCLAIMED
description: Serial bus controller
product: Cannon Lake PCH SPI Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1f.5
bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.5
version: 10
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
configuration: latency=0
resources: memory:fe010000-fe010fff
*-battery
description: Nickel-Cadmium Battery
product: Battery Name
vendor: BYD
physical id: 1
version: 01/01/2012
serial: Serial Number
slot: Location of the battery
*-power UNCLAIMED
description: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
product: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
vendor: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
physical id: 2
version: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
serial: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
capacity: 32768mWh
```
</details>
**Related Application and/or Package Version (run `apt policy $PACKAGE NAME`):**
```
udev:
Installed: 240-6ubuntu5
Candidate: 240-6ubuntu5
Version table:
*** 240-6ubuntu5 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
```
**Issue/Bug Description:**
As of 19.04 after an upgrade from 18.10, there is a delay at boot of around 45 seconds caused by the service `systemd-udev-settle.service`. It seems to be my NVIDIA USB controller which could be causing the majority of the delay.
**Steps to reproduce (if you know):**
Upgrade to 19.04 and reboot the computer
**Expected behavior:**
There is no delay in booting.
**Other Notes:**
See: https://gist.github.com/davidbailey00/88eb4f8e8b51c1ef41723b10fbc96a99 lines 7474, 7779, 9077, 27297, 27318, 27327 (note especially the delay between block 27297 and the previous block logged).
This log was generated by modifying the `ExecStart` line of `/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udev-settle.service` to `ExecStart=/usr/bin/udev-adm-settle`, and creating a file at that location with the following contents:
```sh
#!/bin/bash
{ /bin/udevadm settle; } &
{ sh -c "udevadm monitor --environment > /home/david/udev.log"; } &
wait -n
killall udevadm
```
which is basically:
sudo vim /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-i2c-nvidia-gpu.conf
and add
blacklist i2c_nvidia_gpu
will remove a delay time of 1 minute and 30 seconds on boot
Not sure how we can make Fedora consider this problem or reach out to other people. This solution fixes the slow boot but the GPU will never switch back to intel, and eat up all battery.
refi64
(Ryan Gonzalez)
September 30, 2019, 3:50am
2
Afaik unfortunately there’s not much Fedora can do here, since the issue seems to be with the NVIDIA driver. That being said, if you don’t actually use the laptop for gaming (or don’t game on Linux and e.g. dual boot), you can uninstall the nvidia driver and blacklist nouveau instead, which will ensure that you’re always using the Intel GPU.
eeijlar
(John Lawlor)
October 1, 2019, 8:16am
3
Which nvidia card is it? Are you using the driver from the rpmfusion repository?
Apparently, after a BIOS upgrade, secure boot enabled again.
Disabling secure boot deals with everything.
refi64
(Ryan Gonzalez)
October 2, 2019, 3:59am
5
For some added context: this is probably related to NVIDIA being an out-of-tree driver, compiled locally; since it’s not signed, it would fail the secure boot check. Tbh this should have entirely stopped boot, I’m not entirely sure why it instead randomly broke hardware detection…
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From my experience (with much older NVidia GPU on a desktop, i.e. with a single GPU) it didn’t stop the boot, just skipped loading unsigned – locally compiled – Nvidia kernel modules. I’ve got to tty text-only boot – no graphics driver available – and could see that kernel rejected unsigned module.
In this case if the systemd-udev-settle.service was the culprit (it’s unclear from the posts to me if it actually was) – this service’s intent is to wait while udev completes all the devices initialization – and without kernel module initialization of GPU wasn’t completing in timely fashion – so it all sort of makes sense.
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system
(system)
Closed
October 30, 2019, 7:18am
7
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